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    Hillary's Flimsy Case for the Nomination
    by Matt Taibbi | April 5, 2008 - 10:16am

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    In the space of three short months, I've contrived to write two lengthy, gloating political obituaries for Hillary Clinton, only to see both of them blow up in my face after fantastic eleventh-hour comebacks that ended with scenes of the Hillmeister doing the dual flabby-arm raise on CNN while gusts of confetti whooshed across the room, obscuring almost everything except the shocking results blaring out from the crawl on the bottom of the screen. There was a time when this race looked like it might become the most uplifting in a generation. It's now threatening to become the most divisive and disturbing. It is a good time to ponder how that happened — and to address a few of the other Frequently Asked Questions about this depraved circus that is now poised to continue well past Pennsylvania.

    Isn't Hillary Clinton better qualified than Barack Obama to be president, given that she is the more experienced candidate?

    The idea that Clinton is somehow more qualified to deal with international crises because she has more "experience" is one of the strangest things I've seen the media swallow whole in a long time, dating back to the "tiny, sand-covered, yet-to-master-the-art-of-plumbing nation of Iraq is an imminent military threat to the United States" fiasco. According to my calculations —worked out over many hours, using long division out to eighteen places —Clinton is a second-term senator, while Barack Obama, conversely, is a first-term senator. By any reasonable standard, both are political neophytes.

    Clinton talks a lot about having visited "over eighty countries" —but then, Chelsea was with her on a lot of those trips, and I doubt folks are rushing to hand her the red phone. In case anyone has forgotten what exactly first lady Hillary Clinton really did all those years, here is a press account of a 1997 trip that she made to Senegal with her daughter: "Her first stop in Senegal was at Goree Island, where she peered through the 'Door of No Return,' through which slaves passed on their way to the dreaded Middle Passage of the Slave Trade. When she arrived in Dakar, the first lady was greeted by Senegalese who danced and serenaded her with lyrics written especially for the occasion." Shit, I feel better about that 3 a.m. phone call already!

    It is worth noting that Hillary was being packed off on these trips into the heart of Africa at precisely the time when her husband was getting his knob polished by an intern in the Oval Office. That's not a reflection on her personally —but for the Hillary camp to tout her advantage in foreign affairs based on these trips into the marital wilderness, as compared to a candidate who has actually lived overseas and has actual relatives living in villages like the ones Hillary passed over in her glass-bottomed boat, is beyond absurd.

    When it comes time for delegates to vote at the convention, shouldn't they take into account that Clinton has performed better than Obama in the so-called battleground states? Doesn't she stand a better chance against John McCain in the national election?

    In reality, the exact opposite is true. Everything about the results so far suggests that Obama is the more electable candidate according to the "battleground" voter the Clinton camp is claiming for their own.

    The Clinton strategy for winning the presidency is so simple, even a chimpanzee could grasp it. You win the blue states, the Massachusettses and the New Jerseys, almost automatically, just by being pro-choice and saying nice things about trees and gay people. You concede the really red states, the places like Tennessee and Kentucky where you're fucked anyway, places where huge pluralities believe the devil really exists and has thick red skin and a bull's horns. That leaves you free to compete hard in the mixed-bag states by drifting to the right as far as you can without losing your in-pocket blue territories, which is really hard to do unless you start wobbling on abortion or selling out the spotted owl. It is through the prism of this new Clintonian strategy that presidential politics has basically been reduced to winning Florida and Ohio.

    But saying that Hillary is better qualified to take on John McCain because of her performance in those states only makes sense if (a) you believe that the people who voted for Clinton in the primaries will not vote for Obama in the general election, and (b) you believe that no Democrat can win the traditionally red states. In fact, Hillary has mostly been winning the traditionally blue states —places like New York, California, Massachusetts and New Jersey —that are going to go blue in November anyway, no matter who is running on the Republican ticket. And even in the states Hillary has won, it has been registered Democrats, not swing voters, who have carried her to victory, while Obama has dominated her in virtually every contest among registered independents. Even in her home state of New York, Obama whipped Hillary among independents by fifteen percent. In Missouri, that margin was twenty-eight percent. In California? Thirty percent.

    Obama, meanwhile, has performed extraordinarily well in traditionally red states like Louisiana, Georgia and South Carolina. And sure, some of that is due to the black vote. But all of his victories have been marked by two things: larger-than-usual turnout and routs among independents, leading to the large number of blowout wins that are basically responsible for his delegate lead at the moment. On Super Tuesday, Hillary won sixty percent of the vote in only one contest, Bill's home state of Arkansas. Obama won seven states by that margin or more.

    In other words, Hillary is winning the Democratic voters who are going to vote Democratic anyway. Obama is bringing in new voters, and he's winning large numbers of swing voters in red states.

    What happens if Hillary ends up taking the nomination despite trailing in both the popular vote and the delegate count?

    Put it this way: If this race ends up getting decided by a bunch of political insiders, in defiance of the popular vote, it's going to render all self-righteousness about the 2000 debacle meaningless. And if Hillary ends up winning it by claiming Florida delegates from an uncontested election, in the process once again disenfranchising thousands of minority voters in Miami and other urban areas (who would have voted for Obama, just as they voted for Gore in 2000), then it'll end up being a double fuck-you to the public, a signal that the Democrats are no different from the Bush Republicans.

    What if the nomination gets decided by the superdelegates?

    In the old days, we had a different name for superdelegates. We called them party bosses. If either Clinton or Obama wins by virtue of a superdelegate revolt against the popular will —particularly when both candidates have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the superdelegates through their leadership PACs —then we're looking at an election that huge pluralities of the country will view as illegitimate. One more experience like this and we'll end up with Swedish election observers stepping in to run the 2012 race.

    Are the Clinton camp's attacks against Obama racist?

    Not really. What they are is opportunistic. The Clintonian campaign philosophy is basically an inverse of the Nixonian Southern Strategy: It accepts as gospel the notion that the old coalition of white labor and blacks that kept the South Democratic for generations has been severed forever by the rise of evangelical Christianity and social conservatism. Therefore the Clintons don't try to win back those white workers in the lost Southern states through, say, a more staunch advocacy of unions; instead, they try to pry away Nixon's old "silent majority" voters by courting the same fears about safety and national security that Tricky Dick used to take the South away from Democrats in the first place.

    It's no accident that Hillary ran her "3 a.m." commercial in Texas but not Ohio; this was a cunning ploy to win back those scared white voters whom the Clinton strategy insists are needed to win. And it worked: After the ad, her support among white Texans jumped from forty-four to fifty-six percent. Does it help that her opponent is a black dude with a Muslim middle name? Sure. But the fearmongering by the Clintons is more about winning blue-collar votes without alienating their big-business buddies than it is about exploiting fears of a black planet. With the Clintons, ideology is always whatever gets them through the night. They haven't been reduced to balls-out, Willie Horton racism yet. That's not to say that they won't get there —they're just not there yet.

    Won't the Republicans go after Obama with even nastier stuff?

    Not long ago, I was talking to former Bush speechwriter David Frum, and he told me he thinks that Obama's Achilles' heel is patriotism. Put Obama in the general election, he said, and the Republicans are going to hammer him relentlessly. They're going to bring up everything they can find that bolsters the argument that Obama isn't slobberingly, priapistically patriotic: the famed decision to stop wearing his American flag pin because it was being used as a substitute for "true patriotism"; the now-infamous photo of him holding his hands at his waist while Hillary patriotically clasped her heart during the national anthem; the comments by his wife, Michelle, about being really proud of America "for the first time in my adult life"; the associations with Sixties radicals. Along with his middle name and the unkillable rumors of Muslim leanings, it's obvious where the Republicans are going to be aiming if they have to run against this guy all summer. If and when that happens, Obama is going to find out pretty quick that there's no explanation you can possibly give to Middle America for taking off your flag lapel pin that is going to make sense to them.

    So Obama is weakest on the issue of patriotism?

    No -- Obama's real weakness is that nobody really knows yet what he's all about. He is running as a symbol of a new politics, a politics somehow less disgusting and full of shit than the old politics. But if it were to get out that he's not that —that all he is is the same old deal dressed up in black skin and a natty suit —then he quickly morphs into a different kind of symbol, a symbol of how an essentially bankrupt political system can seamlessly repackage itself to a fed-up marketplace by making cosmetic changes, without altering its basic nature. There have been disturbing signs along that front, from the accusations that Obama aides called his anti-NAFTA stance "just politics," to his angry stumpery against a Maytag plant closing even as he pals around with Lester Crown, a Maytag board member who raised huge sums for his campaign. Right now, Obama has millions of voters thinking Santa Claus really does exist; but if he keeps getting caught turning the usual tricks with campaign donors, attention is going to shift away from his heroic image and toward the prosaic reality, which in politics is always grubby and depressing. And with that, his value as a symbol will evaporate, and Christmas turns into just another holiday with those same relatives you hated every other day of the year.

    Should Obama go negative against Hillary, as the press is urging him to?

    It doesn't matter what Obama does at this point. He's fucked either way. If he gets into a catfight with Hillary, the peanut gallery will slam him for being just another typical politician. If he sits there and just lets her plunge knife after knife into his abdomen, he'll have every hack at Time and Newsweek saying he doesn't have "what it takes" to compete in the "blood sport" that is politics (as if any of those news-mag yuppie turds know anything about actual "blood sports"). I'll say one thing: This endless he-said/she-said piss-fighting between the two camps, with its attendant daily purging of loose-lipped campaign staffers of the Samantha Power/Geraldine Ferraro genus, is a bad place for Barack Obama to be. Nobody in American history has ever been better than the Clintons at calculating the electoral math of resentment, paranoia, media aggression and just flat-out, back-alley nastiness. Every day, the Clintons come up with some new and brilliantly devious way to color the subliminal background of the electoral canvas, from using comparisons to Jesse Jackson to buttonhole Obama as a "black candidate," to floating rumors of an "unstoppable" Hillary-Obama ticket —despite the fact that Hillary would rather eat a KFC bucket full of her own shit than run with Obama —in order to con on-the-fence voters into thinking that a vote for Hillary might also be a vote for Obama. That's why it seemed so weirdly appropriate that Samantha "she's a monster" Power was forced to resign from the Obama campaign, while Gerry Ferraro could all but call Obama a nigger and then claim that she was the victim of discrimination. We expect the Clintons to play dirty, and don't demand that they apologize for doing so. But we'd be disappointed in Obama if he went there.

    So with all this Democratic infighting, is John McCain going to be the next president?

    McCain may be an asshole, but he's not an idiot. He's doing exactly the right thing right now by going overseas for a fact-finding tour in Europe and the Middle East —basically exiling himself from the public eye —while Obama and Hillary claw each other's eyes out every five minutes on MSNBC. He's smart enough to know that whichever candidate emerges from the Democratic scrum is going to have a face like an uncooked side of beef come general-election season; he doesn't need to say a word to raise both of their negatives. Hillary is doing half of McCain's dirty work for him by repeatedly assailing Obama's supposed lack of experience and questionable patriotism, while Obama is inadvertently helping McCain's cause by forcing Hillary to go all craven psycho-bitch on him to stay alive in the race. We saw this effect on display most overtly after the Cleveland debate, when the angry back-and-forth banter by both Obama and Hillary left McCain, for the first time, leading in the polls against either candidate.

    Democrats had all the momentum going into this race because of seven years of uninterrupted press scrutiny of the Bush administration; by the time November rolls around, however, most voters are going to feel like the Democrats have been in charge for over a year. And McCain will be able to swoop in and ride a "throw the bums out" uprising straight to the White House —just in time to actually keep the same old bums in charge. In American politics, always look for the worst possible scenario to emerge triumphant. And right now, that's it.
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    About author

    Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone.

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    Brilliant Analysis

    The article is about the best summary of the current situation that I have seen.

    The Democrats have been wandering in the wilderness for so long that many of us have forgotten that there were reasons why the Republican coup of 94 was possible.

    The Republicans truly do detest liberals. Much of that attitude was based on the actions of Democratic politicians. They had great rhetoric, but they were truly lousy at governing. They spent our money, not to solve problems, but to make themselves look good.

    The fact that today's Republicans are a total disgrace does not mean that the Democrats have learned a damn thing.

    He's too old to make a difference now, but the theme for this election should be "Ralph Was Right".

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    Only the dead have seen the end of war.

    Submitted by Gerard Pierce on April 5, 2008 - 10:46am.

    Taibbi assessment

    An absolutely brilliant, spot-on analysis of the nomination process.

    I'm much more optimistic than Taibbi when it comes to an eventual win for Barack, not only over Hillary, but McCain as well.

    Relentlessly tie McCain into the Bush administration and drop little subtle bomblets about his age, plus really looking into his relationship with the little lobbyist bombshell, Vicki Iseman, not to mention the yawning charisma gap and McCain goes down by 10 percentage points or more. And I wouldn't worry too much about Texas. It appears at the end of the day, Obama actually won more delegates.

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    inditer

    Submitted by inditer on April 5, 2008 - 11:04am.

    Concur with Pierce...

    Taibbi's analysis and comments are Steel on Target...

    His key points are warning signals to all liberals, progressive-liberals, and the rest of the nation:

    "What happens if Hillary ends up taking the nomination despite trailing in both the popular vote and the delegate count?...
    If this race ends up getting decided by a bunch of political insiders, in defiance of the popular vote, it's going to render all self-righteousness about the 2000 debacle meaningless... {true}
    And if Hillary ends up winning it by claiming Florida delegates from an uncontested election, in the process once again disenfranchising thousands of minority voters in Miami and other urban areas (who would have voted for Obama, just as they voted for Gore in 2000), then it'll end up being a double fuck-you to the public, a signal that the Democrats are no different from the Bush Republicans..." {true}

    "What if the nomination gets decided by the superdelegates?...
    In the old days, we had a different name for superdelegates. We called them party bosses. If... Clinton... wins by virtue of a superdelegate revolt against the popular will — particularly when both candidates have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the superdelegates through their leadership PACs — then we're looking at an election that huge pluralities of the country will view as illegitimate..." {true}

    Finally, in response to "inditer" above...

    As a genuine (not cross-over) registered Independent voter, it is with reluctance that I cannot share your optimism that Obama will get the Dem nom over Rodham. Personal observation and pragmatic history since 1991 show that the Clinton Machine, by hook or crook, WILL garner enough super delegates to steal this nomination in Denver. The resultant emotional and intellectual dem-party fall-out will be sea-change monumental (perhaps), making the 27/28 Aug end of convention Rally Round extremely difficult.

    Submitted by bearbunn on April 5, 2008 - 7:44pm.

    Fuck'em, fork'em, and flush'em

    Shrillary's coming!
    Coming to a local high school near here.
    I can't decide between a pitch fork and "Fork the Clintons", or a toilet plunger and "Flush the Clintons" motive.
    Millionaire politicians!
    Clenis gets $250,000 to spout "I feel your pain"!
    My ass still hurts from the last time I heard that bullshit!

    _______

    I'm not ready to make nice
    I'm not ready to back down
    A Revolution without dancing
    is not worth having

    Submitted by leahciMichael on April 5, 2008 - 11:09am.

    Same old thing

    Barack IS the same old thing.

    He just can make better speeches using the Baptist preacher oratorical style.

    Submitted by BlueTigress on April 5, 2008 - 12:18pm.

    About Ralph...

    All three candidates are making a mockery and a game out of our right to vote. I’m waiting for one of them to say he will restore our constitutional rights. When I hear that, I will vote for the person who says it. But I don’t expect to hear it and for that reason, I’ve pretty much made up my mind to vote for Ralph Nader.

    I’m right there with Hillary in the “dual flabby-arm” crowd—I’ve voted for the lesser of two evils in nine elections. This time I’m going to vote for someone who shares my views and speaks to the issues I think are important. I realize that Ralph is too old, has no chance of winning, and that I will be casting a purely symbolic vote, but it will be the first time I’ve voted my conscience in all these years. And considering the current corrupt regime, there is the possibility that it may be that last time any of us will be able to exercise our right to vote, so this election will be especially important to me.

    If you haven’t read Ralph Nader’s book, “The Seventeen Traditions,” I would highly recommend it. It’s a short, easy read and outlines his values in his own words. It’s also very nostalgic, bringing to mind a time when people acted in both their own interests and the interests of the community. It makes you realize—there is a more purposeful way to live.

    Submitted by river walker on April 5, 2008 - 12:36pm.

    our constitutional rights

    As proven as early as 1798, when the Government round up free-talking newspaper editors and even a dissenting congressmen under the Alien and Sedition Acts, our "constitutional rights" are whatever whim the government feels like imposing at any given moment.

    The Constitution is the biggest fairy tale in the whole huge mythology of american civil religion.

    It was never more than a pretty cover for ham-fisted State power.

    Submitted by dogen on April 5, 2008 - 1:34pm.

    I am not sure about Ralph

    I too am not thrilled about our three choices. I think Obama is still ok if more dirt does not turn up. I like what I hear from Nader.

    Some people though have argued Nader is actually a Republican mole. His real purpose in running is to elect the Republican.

    Submitted by Matt51 on April 5, 2008 - 2:25pm.

    More on Ralph

    I’ve heard that talking point and another--that his ego is so monumental he just runs to give himself a thrill. However, his life and work belie this. I think these talking points came from the democrats—my daughter throws them up to me all the time. Nader also stated clearly before he got into this race that he was running to keep certain issues in the forefront. Do a little research and read his book, then you can decide for yourself whether or not he is working as a republican mole.

    That said, I’m really not trying to sell him. It’s mostly a personal issue for me—I don’t think any of the other three candidates are qualified or will work on behalf of the people of this country. It’s a game for them, and we are the pawns in the game.

    Ralph Nader has written a good article appearing on Counterpunch today. It’s worth a read if you are curious about some of his views.

    Submitted by river walker on April 5, 2008 - 3:42pm.

    so, Hil, you have a passport

    So, Hil, you have a passport, and a plane that flew you to all those places on our dime. SO WHAT!
    I personally have been in 22 countries (Thank you, USAF), but I would not use that as a platform to run for the city council.
    BECAUSE, I don't know diddly about city finances, financial planning, statistics. I could say "I'm ready for the challenge, I've been to 22 countries!"
    And, most of that was packing and lifting pallets around on C130s and 141s. BIG WOOF.
    You'll have to come up with something better than THAT, sister. Because we are finding out all of those trips you made were pretty much tourist adventures paid for by us. Remember US? The people who you say you can't sleep at night, for worrying about our jobs and healthcare? All the while, taking every dirty dollar you can get your eight tentacles on.
    Don't worry, though. When you run out of money in May, you'll have lots of time to go to even more countries at our expense. Who knows, maybe you and Ralphie Iscariot could team up in 2012 to run as a team for President and Vice President of CANDYLAND...

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    "I am obviously wrong" Rush Limbaugh Oct 19, 2006

    Submitted by kebo on April 5, 2008 - 1:13pm.

    I've been reading history.

    The last few years I have learned that Americans have always been morans. It's a miracle the founders scraped together enough "smart" people to come up with an alternative to a King. Then it was just a matter of getting the Scots Irish excited enough to fight. Shortly after the smoke cleared Americans went right back to being stupid.

    We have never changed. Although we make steady progress. I would argue we make progress at a glacial pace, but it's better than nothing. So here we are. We had a chance to really make change, i.e., Kucinich or Edwards. But oh, no. Can't have that. Too damn scary. All that talk about regulating corporations scares the upper middle class. In other words, the people inclined to support Hillary. I don't get it.

    I can't figure it out. Why, oh why are Americans so goddam stupid. Most of us are of European ancestry. In most of Europe they have decent health care, six weeks of vacation and they educate their citizens, and more. I guess America got all of Europes retards.

    I want to be French. If any of you know how I could move to France and make a living please let me know. I'm even willing to learn to speak French.

    Submitted by Squid2.0 on April 5, 2008 - 1:52pm.

    New Hampshire was stolen

    Just like Ohio in 2004, or Florida in 2000.

    Submitted by Matt51 on April 5, 2008 - 2:27pm.

    BWAHH!!!

    Quote Squid 2.0: "If any of you know how I could move to France and make a living please let me know. I'm even willing to learn to speak French."

    That reads as if it's kind of grudgingly that you'll learn to speak French, such as: "If the French EXPECT me to learn French in order to live and work in France, I suppose I MIGHT accomodate them."

    Heh. Just struck me as funny, Squid. Anyway, tell Johnny Depp to call me.

    Good analysis from Matt Taibbi, as usual. It's not going to make some people happy, though.

    _______

    I really don't bring much to the table but a lot of bluster and a little pith.

    Submitted by Onaboojoka on April 5, 2008 - 2:46pm.

    How to get to "Old Europe"

    To move anywhere in "Old Europe" you have several choices.

    1. Try to have one of your parents born there. (Although I admit, this advice might come a little late for most of you.)

    2. Have a highly-marketable and desirable skill that a European company can prove -- to their government's satisfaction -- that it can't find in the country.

    3. Be very rich. Countries always like "entrepreneurs" and "investors" who will deposit large sums of money into the country's banks.

    4. Be illegal.

    Two caveats. At best, this will get you a residence permit. Citizenship is a much harder row to hoe. Almost impossible, some would say, although marrying a local might help.

    Second, no matter how hard you try -- even if you get a passport -- you will never be "French." You will be, at best, "that American with a French passport."

    And yes, learn the language of anywhere you plan to go.

    Mexico is a good choice. There are some nice cities in Mexico with a nice style of life and a good climate. You can get residence very easily and, after five years, you can apply for citizenship. They will allow you to keep your American passport too, so you can use whichever suits your purpose at the moment. But, you will need to learn enough Spanish to satisfy the people at the ministry that will grant you citizenship. The dollar is still strong against the peso, but I wouldn't bet on that lasting long.

    _______

    "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!"

    Submitted by Nichomachus on April 5, 2008 - 3:46pm.

    Hi Nich...' . . .

    Have you ever lived in Mexico? Do speak fluent Spanish? Members of my extended family have lived in Mexico City and other cities in Mexico. Two family members are Mexican nationals that are now USofA citizens.

    Would I live in Mexico? Never.(*) Possibly Panama, the Dominican Republic or Spain --

    (*)Never say never if you are very rich!

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    __bd
    ...

    "Who controls the past controls the future;
    who controls the present controls the past."
    - George Orwell

    Submitted by bitdog on April 8, 2008 - 11:02pm.

    How to move to France

    Teaching English can pay the bills for a little while. That's the fortunate thing about British/American Imperialism, it has made English the lingua franca of the 21st century, so you can teach it just about anyplace on the planet.

    If you have enough money to buy some real estate and fix it up, you can work that angle. Old stone houses in the area from Marseille to Bordeaux can be found for under $100,000 and could be profitable investments. New construction seems to be as overpriced as it is in the United States, with average home prices approaching 200,000 Euro. If you have to rent, studios start at 400 Euro a month, with most apartments costing in Euros what you would pay for a comparable apartment in the US in dollars. Oh, and you WILL be signing a one-year lease with the real estate agent wanting about a month's rent for their compensation.

    Learning to read French is not that difficult, the written language has a lot of commonality with English and with a little study, you can be reading newspapers in a few short weeks. The spoken language is another story though, as it has a bizarre intonation that makes listening comprehension and speaking difficult. The French also have a low tolerance for learners who mangle their language and will point out flaws that other nationalities would overlook. This makes mimicry and imitation all that more important and the best way to achieve that is to watch a lot of children's TV, soap operas, and quiz shows and just parrot the phrases until you get it right and don't get a condescending look.

    The first phrase to get right is "excusez-moi, mais je doit vous demander a parler lentement" (excuse me, but I have to ask you to speak slowly), and with that acknowledgment, most people will cut you some slack.

    You really have to be able to speak well BEFORE anyone will consider you for a job. If you speak French poorly, you will be left down with the Arabs and Africans, standing in front of Mr. Bricolage (the hardware store) looking for day labor jobs. If you have a skill that you can ply to be self-employed, you can advertise that the same way you would in the US.

    Bottom line, if you are financially self-supporting, there is no problem in moving. If you aren't, you become just another problem for them and they will be less likely to allow you in.

    _______

    “All history has been a history of class struggles between dominated classes at various stages of social development” -- F. Engels

    Submitted by GZeus on April 5, 2008 - 4:03pm.

    Three words

    Large Monolingual Nation.

    In a place like the USA, it's all too easy to go from cradle to grave without hearing an alternative version of history or current events. One nation, one language, one elite, one view. We were initially set up as a third world cluster of plantations, and whatever may change, that's still in our blood.

    Submitted by Subversable on April 5, 2008 - 10:45pm.

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    Maybe I'll just wait for retirement and live on a boat. If I ever get to retire.

    As for Hillary. I am convinced that those that support her and aren't DLC types just aren't thinking critically. As this article points out, she's an empty suit. What specifically does she offer the working class.

    Obama is also not so great shakes. But there is something about his manner that I trust. I think he may be trainable. When I hear Hillary My bullshit detector is alarming. I don't get that from Obama. At least not so much.

    Submitted by Squid2.0 on April 5, 2008 - 4:55pm.

    Charity?

    What specifically does she offer the working class.

    Apparently, she gives a lot to charity, although most of that comes in the forms of donations to the family's tax-shelter "foundation." You might get something from that.

    _______

    "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!"

    Submitted by Nichomachus on April 5, 2008 - 5:20pm.

    This is harsh.

    But since you brought it up...despite the fact that Hillary would rather eat a KFC bucket full of her own shit than run with Obama..... but only if SHE was asked to occupy the co-pilot's seat on that ticket.

    Would she run with Obama if she was the headliner? And what would she be willing to do at this point in her faltering campaign, to make that a reality? Let's just say you don't want to be sitting across the table from her at lunch.

    Submitted by habeus corpses on April 5, 2008 - 5:21pm.

    Wah Wah Wah - Easy to complain, hard to act

    Present reality is not the future. So Obama is likely another sell-out. He's not the shining knight riding in from the West.

    Obama is a step in the right direction.

    He can help internationally in healing the damage we've done.

    Clinton is so obviously beholding to the Military Industrial Complex that the countries we've abused will view her as another status quo might is right loser.

    HClinton is Joe Lieberman, a trojan horse virus infecting further our sick system.

    Think of Obama as the chemo or miniscule baceteria that infected the evil aliens and they had no immunity to him and his ilk.

    Just another sell out? Not bloody possible. Less bad is better than the Real Bad.

    Are both equally flawed, just because they'r both flawed?

    No.

    Even the Buddha chose the middle path. You gotta live in the world.

    So what're you going to do, sit back in your cave and whine?

    You owe it to your small self to fight for Obama. Just so you are validated in compaining if HC or JMcC wins.

    Matt, you gonna feel validated in criticizing Clinton or McCain if you don't break your stones fighting for the Lesser of Two Evils?

    Constructive action is much better than sitting back and letting the Military Industrial Complex and the Main Stream Media promote Hillary Lieberman.

    Mobilize behind Obama and pressure him to lean to the left of center.

    Cut me some slack. Think progressively and positively.

    Even the Dalai Lama promotes action.

    _______

    Believe it

    Submitted by old NJ guy on April 5, 2008 - 6:37pm.

    Sorry I ain't buyin' any of it

    Obama will either win PA or at least come within a few points of Clinton and then will win NC going away and probably Indiana (though if not it will be a wash), after which Clinton will be forced to bow out. After that, Obama will destroy McCain in the general because for all the talk of Obama's vulnerabilities, everybody forgets the F'in elephant in the room, the Iraq War, which McShame has tied his sorry ass to, not to mention that he's a corrupt flip-flopper who wants to continue W's failed policies, which I am confident Obama's campaign will nail him to the wall on. Most important, Obama is by far the most impressive political figure to take the stage in my lifetime (and I date back to Nixon) and the more people are exposed to him, the more his star rises. Obama will the next president y'all--mark it down.

    Submitted by chimpevil on April 5, 2008 - 7:38pm.

    Thank you Chimpevil.

    I need encouragement sometimes. The MSM pounds away with their bullshit 24/7 till I don't know whether to shit or go blind. I don't know who will win PA. But if Hillary wins it won't be by much. I think and hope Obama get's nominated but that doesn't mean he's got the prez. locked up. I think Mcsame will be hard to beat. I don't think Hillary would stand a chance against Grampa. Any repig has a massive advantage because they own the microphone. And, don't ever misunderestimate the utter stupidity of the American people.

    Submitted by Squid2.0 on April 5, 2008 - 11:00pm.

    Hope you're right-

    ****

    Submitted by putridnation on April 7, 2008 - 8:56pm.

    Shillery Clinton

    Matt, Matt, Matt... Here's the point of this whole fiasco, and you're waaayyyyyy over here, trying to catch the sense football.

    I don't have the foam at the mouth hatred of HRC that many of my SC brothers and sisters harbor, but I wouldn't vote for her for POTUS if she were the nominee. Here's how it worked out.
    The Corporofascist Overlords despised Kucinich, but they did not fear him. They laughed off Edwards, until his populism started showing, then they unleased the dittoheads and the religious insane to discredit him. then they wrote out the storyboards for the MSM whores to totally ignore Edwards while whipping up a little backstory on a BO/HRC rivalry. Meanwhile, HRC became the Corporocats new BFF as the economy began to unravel and Shrimpy's popularity began shrinking, dragging down the rest of the Repuke party with him.
    Hillary will play ball, as she's shown in photo ops with Rupert Murdoch as well as in her voting record. Obama is slicker at the slick Willie game, slicker than Slick Willie himself, but he's at a tender enough age that he may come to respect the buzz he gets from the Great Unwashed, and he may decide a new progressive movement in his name will cement his place in the history books. (This scenario is very doubtful; if it did occur, Obama would get the Wellstone treatment. More likely, the corporfascist corruption demons of K street will bend him shape him any way they want him, but they will do everything in their power from now until the Dem Convention to ensure that HRC wins, because they can count on the liberals like me voting for Nader or writing in Al Gore's name or staying home, and they can count on their base to come out in droves to vote for McInsane. For fine tuning, they have Diebold at HRC's disposal, but the populist word of mouth and alternative media have carried Obama on a yet-to-crest Tsunami of liberal outrage and rebirth, turning out at the caucuses and primaries in such huge numbers that HRC's friend Karl can't tweak the machines like he used to..
    So don't be outraged or surprised if HRC wins a Fla 2000 or Ohio 2004- 180 degree 11th hr upset that is the complete opposite of any exit polls that happen to survive the day after the convention. THere's no point getting worked up about it. Obama might win, and totally screw us all over. THe main differece between them is if HRC wins, or is selected, she will DEFINITELY screw us all over

    _______

    How many lives to the gallon does your HumVee get?

    Submitted by ugmo57 on April 5, 2008 - 10:43pm.

    "the dual flabby-arm raise"? Oh my, Matt.

    Why don't you just go ahead and "big f*cking whore" like Randi Rhodes did at a recent Obama fundraiser?

    Ridiculing someone's ideas is one thing, hurling ageist, sexist insults is quite another -- or did you sleep through that part of Progressive Liberalism 101?

    Submitted by No Blood for Hubris on April 6, 2008 - 11:39am.

    LGBT Behavioral Heath Care, A Queer Eye for Taibbi

    The question on Real Time with Bill Maher was what' missing the the campaigns...

    Posting Out for LGBT Civil Rights and Health and Behavioral Health Care for who is left.

    Sharing this post for a Queer Eye view to add to your excellent discription that sums it all up for this Obama Girlfriend!

    It's 3:00 am and your kids are safe and asleep - so you think.

    But there's a pink phone in the White House and its ringing.

    Something of global proportions is happening. Your proxy vote will decide who answers, Hillary or Bill?

    Hillary picks up "Hello this is the next President of the Free World."

    "Avon calling, what's your crisis?"

    Mark from Queen Village Philadelphia

    Submitted by MADpride1988 on April 6, 2008 - 12:34pm.

    Adding website that did not post for LGBT BH, Queer Eye4Taibbi

    http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2000001767&messageID=1900263752

    The website I was referring for my post on Real Time with Bill Maher was not posted so here it is again...
    Cheers, MADpride1988

    Submitted by MADpride1988 on April 7, 2008 - 11:22am.

    This article is ok but it's

    This article is ok but it's not really giving us more information than the mainstream media. The real issue we're not looking at is why Hillary is losing. Going into the 08 race she had the name recognition, money, and political class all on her side. All Obama had was organization and message but it wasn't until after Iowa that the money really came in. Hillary maybe more qualified but if the way she's run her campaign is a reflection of how her administration will be run then she's proven herself to be the democratic equivelent to bush in terms of not being able to govern. The only thing the Clinton campaign has done an excellent job at is shaping the news cycle. Think about it, she needs to blow out Obama in every race by 65% and it's mathematically impossible for her to win and if it were anyone else in her position they'd be forced to leave the race like Edwards in 2004 but no she plays the gender card and stubbornly stays in. Now I'm not complaining because I think she's making Obama better and tougher because everytime she attacks him he's given the opportunity to look more presidential by responding in a positive way to counterbalance it. He conquers her angry attacks with smiles and political judo by using her own attacks against her. But more than that the bigger issue is that none of the candidates are qualified because the only things senators do isget pork, vote, and write laws but that doesn't equal running a country. It's not really good training to run a country that's why only 2 senators have won the presidency in the last hundred years also being a senator is a relatively simple job after about 3 years anybody should have the hang of it so 1 term or 6 it really doesn't matter.

    Submitted by gregmatic on April 6, 2008 - 2:45pm.

    None of it matters, at all.

    One more time: you can look at Bush and Cheney, who weren't elected either time, and still believe the delegate and vote counts matter? With their consistent support of funding war, all three candidates have done what it takes to get elected. You can still have President Hillary. Who decides and how, and what do we do? Start here.

    Submitted by Uranus on April 6, 2008 - 4:31pm.

    Great post

    I think the most hilarious part is "yet-to-master-the-art-of-plumbing nation". Reason? That was exactly the same thing I thought when we relocated to the US from Sweden. It took me 2 weeks of living in a new built house built by a highly respected constructor in the Boston area. Before we had a leak in the pipes and toilet-sinks and -chairs that malfunction.

    What the US needs is a President that bring the country into Western world quality thinking. It is a mindset change.

    Look at your Electricity outlets and Phone service... We shouldn't even mention the Wireless and "Broadband" service.. US needs to wake up and get into the 21st century!

    Submitted by chelin on May 7, 2008 - 1:28pm.
     
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